{"id":273,"date":"2016-08-23T05:00:32","date_gmt":"2016-08-23T09:00:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/old.lib.utk.edu\/writers\/?p=273"},"modified":"2016-08-30T10:21:36","modified_gmt":"2016-08-30T14:21:36","slug":"interview-christopher-hebert-part-two","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/old.lib.utk.edu\/writers\/2016\/08\/interview-christopher-hebert-part-two\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview with Christopher Hebert : Part Two"},"content":{"rendered":"

Part two of Megan Faust’s interview with Christopher Hebert, this year’s first reader for the WIR reading series and a former Writer-in-the-Library! \u00a0Come see him read\u00a0\u00a0from his newly released novel,\u00a0Angels of Detroit<\/em>, at the University of Tennessee on Monday, August 29, 2016. The event is part of the university\u2019s Writers in the Library reading series. The public is invited to this free reading at 7 p.m. in the Lindsay Young Auditorium of UT\u2019s John C. Hodges Library.<\/p>\n

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Megan Faust (\u201916): You mentioned in our last interview<\/a> that this was up to the interpretation of the reader, but as I was reading Dobbs\u2019 thoughts on how the planet is careening towards disaster and Clementine\u2019s musings on the 6th Ice Age and what scientists in the future will find of our destroyed planet, I\u2019m also watching news stories about the horrific flooding in Louisiana.\u00a0 It\u2019s all reminding me of hurricanes and tropical storms, An Inconvenient Truth<\/em>, etc. \u00a0Did you at least somewhat intend this book to serve as a kind of warning?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Christopher Hebert: Yea, as I said, I didn\u2019t really have my own particular thesis or angle that I was interested in announcing.\u00a0 What interests me as a writer are complex, volatile situations in which there are no easy answers.\u00a0 I think what interests me about the world is the lack of simplicity in things.\u00a0 Where you see simplicity, you imagine simple solutions.\u00a0 But simple solutions don\u2019t honor what\u2019s actually happening.\u00a0 If we can\u2019t really face the complexity of many problems from many angles, we\u2019re never going to figure out what to do about them.\u00a0 We see that a lot on our political stages.\u00a0 People are just giving you a 10 second soundbite like, oh, this will fix everything.\u00a0 And it sounds good, but generally when that happens, it just digs a deeper hole.\u00a0 So what I was interested in doing was taking seriously a lot of the different things you see in places like this.<\/p>\n

You go to Detroit now, and you see billboards with slogans saying nice things about Detroit.\u00a0 That grows out of the very bad publicity Detroit gets a lot of as there are a lot of people saying bad things about Detroit.\u00a0 And I see those signs, and I\u2019m like, yea, I\u2019ve got a lot of good things to say about Detroit.\u00a0 I like Detroit in a lot of ways too.\u00a0 But I don\u2019t think you can say only nice things about Detroit.\u00a0 I don\u2019t think that actually makes anything better.<\/p>\n

You can look at Detroit and see a lot of things that are improving.\u00a0 Since I moved in 2008, billionaires are buying up buildings in downtown, there\u2019s a lot of development there.\u00a0 There are all kinds of fancy new restaurants and new bars and great mixology happening.\u00a0 There\u2019s a lot of cool stuff you can get, like fabulous crepes and coffee.\u00a0 There\u2019s a Whole Foods there now.\u00a0 So you could look at that and say, this is great.\u00a0 And it is, but a lot of that is gentrification, and a lot of that is not remotely helping the poor people that continue to live there.\u00a0 I feel that still needs to be acknowledged too.\u00a0 Yes, there are good things happening in Detroit, but Whole Foods is not going to solve the problem of people living in abject poverty in houses that are falling down who have no public services of any kind and are extraordinarily vulnerable to everything.<\/p>\n

There are plenty of people who look at a place like Detroit and think that it\u2019s beyond saving.\u00a0 It\u2019s beyond hope, and all we can do is cut it loose and move on.\u00a0 Or that it\u2019s an example of our hubris or the mistakes we\u2019ve made in the past.\u00a0 But I don\u2019t necessarily think that solves problems either.\u00a0 What we see in Detroit is not limited to Detroit.\u00a0 That was part of what really resonated with me.\u00a0 I looked at Detroit and I saw St. Louis, I saw Ohio, I saw where I grew up in Syracuse.\u00a0 You can\u2019t just cut loose all of these places when they become inconvenient.\u00a0 So I wanted to take seriously that particular view \u2013 that we have created these ruins through a lot of destructive practices and a lack of foresight \u2013 but I didn\u2019t want that to be the dominant view of the book.<\/p>\n

I wanted that to be in juxtaposition to people who are like Clementine.\u00a0 To me, she\u2019s a little different from Dobbs in that she\u2019s aware of ecological problems and she reads up on them, but she\u2019s also not giving up like he is.\u00a0 He\u2019s sort of leaning into it and aligning himself with the cockroaches of the world because they survive, and she\u2019s not.\u00a0 She is still spirited and smart and doing her thing.\u00a0 And then there are people like Constance.\u00a0 She lives there and she knows how grim a lot of it is.\u00a0 She\u2019s one of those people who doesn\u2019t have very much, but she\u2019s planting this garden, and by the end of the book, she\u2019s creating this new place where people can eat who otherwise can\u2019t.\u00a0 So I think it was my attempt to grapple with the many sides of this.<\/p>\n

When I went inside the corporation, I found even that is complex.\u00a0 Since both of our presidential candidates were in Detroit this past week, we\u2019ve been hearing talk about policies to turn around the outsourcing of manufacturing.\u00a0 That\u2019s often an easy line: all of these jobs went to China, and we need to get them back.\u00a0 But that\u2019s not that simple either because often when you\u2019re talking about that, you\u2019re waxing nostalgic about 1950s manufacturing, which doesn\u2019t exist anymore.\u00a0 There are far fewer people doing manufacturing.\u00a0 It\u2019s now all automated, and those jobs don\u2019t pay very well.\u00a0 Even if you steal back from China all of the Detroit jobs that we sent over there, it would be like 1\/50 of the manufacturing base that we once had.\u00a0 And so when I was inside of the corporation, I wanted to try and take seriously what it meant to try to run a business in a place like this without putting up a paper demon.<\/p>\n

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MF: So maybe it would be closer to say that this is more of a warning against simplicity than it is a warning against disaster.<\/strong><\/p>\n

CH: Yea.\u00a0 I don\u2019t really think that books, especially novels, are good for teaching people lessons.\u00a0 People don\u2019t want to be taught things that they don\u2019t want to learn.\u00a0 What books can do, and what they do better than anything else I think, is give you an opportunity to dwell in someone else\u2019s life for a while.\u00a0 One of the results of doing that is you come to sympathize a bit with them.\u00a0 You come to understand who they are and what they\u2019ve gone through.\u00a0 They aren\u2019t necessarily demanding your sympathy or asking you to feel sorry for them, but a lot of that inevitably happens.\u00a0 You learn what it\u2019s like to be a poor person living in a Detroit neighborhood.\u00a0 At no point does any person say, I want you rescue me or make all of this go away.\u00a0 You spend enough time with them, and you begin to care about them.\u00a0 You begin to see that this is complex.\u00a0 And once you recognize that complexity, I think you\u2019re less likely to go tossing out innocently ignorant solutions to problems that aren\u2019t actually solutions.\u00a0 A lot of the things that we spout about, like all we need to do is this, is true only if you ignore 3\/4 of what\u2019s out there.\u00a0 But if you recognize that there are people<\/em> living in Detroit\u2026 It\u2019s part of the gentrification that\u2019s going on. \u00a0It\u2019s nice that there are now shiny buildings in Detroit, and you can get an awesome espresso.\u00a0 Those things are great, but there are still those other people out there.\u00a0 How are we going to deal with that?<\/p>\n

But on the liberal end, it doesn\u2019t do any good to demonize corporate entities.\u00a0 We\u2019re all complicit in buying their crap and supporting this world that we live in.\u00a0 We can\u2019t pretend that the poor are all innocent and the corporations are all the guilty monsters.\u00a0 There are things that they do that are troubling and that make us unhappy, but we can\u2019t shift all of the blame.\u00a0 We need to see that we are all cogs in this machine that has a lot of problems.\u00a0 So that\u2019s something that I think a book can do successfully instead of demand that readers shut it and take a position.<\/p>\n

It does leave a lot of room for interpretation and space for some reviewers to close the book and say, well, the apocalypse is coming.\u00a0 And there are some who will close it and say, yea, there are problems, but this is a hopeful book. \u00a0For me, it\u2019s hopeful.\u00a0 I didn\u2019t really anticipate the apocalypse reading, but I\u2019m responsible for writing an ambiguous book, so I\u2019ll take it.<\/p>\n

MF: Gotcha.\u00a0 If you were to write a similar novel about Knoxville, what kinds of characters would you populate the city with?\u00a0 What conflicts or tensions might you weave throughout the narrative?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CH: Oh man, that\u2019s a good question.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 I\u2019m still getting to know Knoxville, and I\u2019ve been wondering lately if I\u2019ll ever be able to write about it.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know the place well enough.\u00a0 I do have a thing for political struggle; my first book was set in Haiti, and it was about race and politics there.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know \u2013 this town in a lot of ways is the opposite of Detroit.\u00a0 I got here at just the moment that Knoxville was really blooming.\u00a0 It was in the very recent past that Market Square was just a dump, and there was nothing there but Tomato Head.\u00a0 The Old City wasn\u2019t there either.\u00a0 This was all very recent, within the last 10 years.\u00a0 You hear a lot about cities reinventing themselves, especially in the Rust Belt.\u00a0 It\u2019s been remarkable to see the transformation here and how successful it\u2019s been.\u00a0 On the other hand, it was on a much smaller scale, and it wasn\u2019t industry that needed to be replaced.\u00a0 We\u2019re talking about a downtown district of tourism and restaurants, and that\u2019s easier to manage than replacing vanished manufacturing plants.<\/p>\n

I see a lot of wealth in this town.\u00a0 I live in Bearden, and I drive past Sequoyah Hills, Lion\u2019s View, and the endless mansions on the river.\u00a0 I\u2019m often quite curious about what\u2019s going on in East Knoxville.\u00a0 I\u2019m curious about immigrant communities here, and what their view of this place is, and how all of this development is touching them or not.\u00a0 So I wonder about the other Knoxville.\u00a0 But between campus, Bearden, and downtown, you see a lot of success and money and good things.\u00a0 Maybe it\u2019s the dark side of me, but I always wonder about what\u2019s hiding in the corners or what we are sweeping away that we don\u2019t want to look at.\u00a0 Just like when you drive a bit north and you cross under the bridge, and you see leagues of homeless people.\u00a0 I remember shortly after I moved here, people were saying that we don\u2019t have a homeless problem here or that it\u2019s fairly well maintained.\u00a0 Whether that is true, I don\u2019t know, but what certainly seems to be true is that the city has succeeded in attracting them all to one place.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know if that\u2019s a way of making the problem less visible because it doesn\u2019t occupy all parts of the city.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know, but it\u2019s interesting.<\/p>\n

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MF: So there\u2019s no upcoming novel on Big Orange Country?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CH: There\u2019s not.\u00a0 I\u2019m working on something that, as of now, is set in New York.\u00a0 It\u2019s very different.\u00a0 I\u2019ve written a lot of stuff that pulls in politics, revolt, tumult, and stuff like that, so I\u2019ve decided to try to do something a little lighter and see how that goes.<\/p>\n

MF: A little lighter\u2026 So you\u2019re not setting your story in an industrial wasteland?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CH: I\u2019m not!\u00a0 No industrial wastelands, no political violence, no crushing riots.<\/p>\n

MF: Wow.\u00a0 No one will recognize Christopher Hebert.<\/strong><\/p>\n

CH: Yea, it\u2019s a quieter book.\u00a0 As of now, it has none of those elements in it.<\/p>\n

MF: Is it a different experience writing a book like that?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CH: Every book is different, and having written books, you feel that you have the experience now to keep writing them.\u00a0 But in a lot of ways, every book is a new project that you have to completely figure out from the ground up.\u00a0 It creates entirely new challenges.\u00a0 Angels of Detroit<\/em> is my second book, but it took forever to write because I had all of these pieces and I needed to figure out how they went together.\u00a0 Some of the challenges of the new book are formal.\u00a0 One of the ideas I have is that it takes place over the course of a single night, so it\u2019s compressed.\u00a0 And hopefully shorter.\u00a0 My last two books are both exactly 432 pages, so that\u2019s a specialty of mine.\u00a0 I\u2019m determined to write a slim little quick read, but I suspect that somehow or another \u2013 and actually already as I\u2019m writing it, I see little things about economic disparity pulling in.\u00a0 The main protagonist is a high school kid, and I already see an awareness of socioeconomic difference in the community and different students in school.\u00a0 But I\u2019m going to maintain the plan that this is a\u2026<\/p>\n

MF: Light-hearted summer beach read.<\/strong><\/p>\n

CH: Exactly.\u00a0 But we\u2019ll see.\u00a0 Maybe I just can\u2019t help myself.\u00a0 Maybe it will transform into something else entirely.\u00a0 In broad strokes, it\u2019s about a kid who\u2019s drawn into this mission that falls in his lap that he doesn\u2019t want to do yet he has to, and it takes the course of a single night.\u00a0 What it will lead to, I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 There are a lot of unanswered questions and a lot of space for it to bloom into something else.\u00a0 Maybe 432 pages of something else.<\/p>\n

MF: It sounds like these books have a mind of their own.\u00a0 They\u2019re coming from you, but they very much so demand certain things from you.<\/strong><\/p>\n

CH: Yea, and for me, that\u2019s the pleasure of writing.\u00a0 I do know writers who start with an outline and then just write that outline in book form.\u00a0 I like to be challenged, and I like to not know where I\u2019m going.\u00a0 I think I would just be bored if I knew what the book was about and who these people were.\u00a0 My favorite characters in the book are the ones who surprised me, who I didn\u2019t really know at all.\u00a0 I take pleasure, and I think a lot of writers do, when our characters come to life and do things that we never intended.<\/p>\n

MF: Do you have a favorite character in Angels of Detroit<\/em>?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CH: There are a lot of characters I like, but the writing experiences I enjoy grew out of chapters just spiraling out of my control, like the chapter on Mrs. Freeman as a young woman in Detroit.\u00a0 That was one of the later chapters I wrote, and I wrote it because I was aware that it was hard to get a sense in the book of the glory days of Detroit.\u00a0 There\u2019s a very clear sense of the grimness and how difficult things are now, but not of what it was.\u00a0 And also no nostalgia for what it was.\u00a0 So I realized I needed to do that, and she was the person because she was from there and she came from a wealthy family.\u00a0 She would have known and experienced this other side of Detroit.\u00a0 That chapter is one of my favorites because I feel it does both simultaneously.\u00a0 It allows you a breezy walk through the glory days and shows you what it would be like to be a young woman from a wealthy family with access to all of the resources of the city.<\/p>\n

At the same time, that ultimately gave me an opening to talk about what happened, what it led to, and the ways in which Detroit\u2019s problems grew out of racial conflict, segregation, and policies that separated white from black.\u00a0 In a lot of ways, that\u2019s really what drove the city to what it is today.\u00a0 So I enjoyed being able to do something light while having something very dark happening underneath.\u00a0 But I also learned a lot about her and the complexities of her position in writing that chapter.\u00a0 She has a lot of warm and nostalgic feelings about the place.\u00a0 She loves the city in a lot of ways, and she can now, with the benefit of hindsight, see her responsibility and the responsibility of her family and the wealthy families she knew who were able to just cut themselves off from all of the inequity, inequalities, and brutalities of life for poor people and African Americans.\u00a0 That I found interesting.<\/p>\n

Clementine too was a joy to just spend time with and hang out with and see where she took me.\u00a0 Those scenes where she\u2019s just running through the fields discovering things \u2013 part of that is reflective of the writing experience.\u00a0 Where is she going?\u00a0 I don\u2019t know, let\u2019s see where she goes!\u00a0 And then she goes there and it\u2019s like, oh yea!\u00a0 Cool, of course she has a little hideout in a bush where she keeps all her stuff.\u00a0 Of course she would, why wouldn\u2019t she?\u00a0 But I didn\u2019t know that until I wrote it.\u00a0 That\u2019s the way for a lot of us: I don\u2019t know it until I write it.\u00a0 And they cease then to be characters, and they start to become real, credible people.\u00a0 They need to be credible people for anyone to care about them.\u00a0 Readers can tell the difference, even if they don\u2019t know why.\u00a0 They can\u2019t see what a writer is doing, they can\u2019t see how their emotions are being tweaked, but they know when they care about a character and when they don\u2019t care about a character.\u00a0 We often talk about how much you relate, but relating doesn\u2019t necessarily mean they look and sound like you.\u00a0 It means that you recognize their experiences and their emotions, and that you can understand what it would be like to be this young girl in this place.<\/p>\n

MF: It\u2019s more about empathy than relating in a more one-dimensional way.\u00a0 Very cool.\u00a0 I really liked that chapter too.\u00a0 To me, it was kind of shocking when she was talking about the riots that occurred in Detroit.\u00a0 She said that it took her a long time to not look at the African American population as this angry mob hell-bent on destruction.<\/strong><\/p>\n

CH: Yea, and I think that was the immediate response: rage.\u00a0 She\u2019s thinking, why are they doing this?\u00a0 Why are they destroying this city?\u00a0 It takes a while before she can step back and see that it\u2019s because we\u2019ve set these conditions in motion.\u00a0 They\u2019re destroying the city because they\u2019ve been left out of the workplace, they\u2019ve been targeted by the police, they\u2019ve been prevented from moving into most of the city, they\u2019ve been ghettoized.\u00a0 That\u2019s why they\u2019re burning the city down.\u00a0 But it\u2019s hard if you\u2019ve never been exposed to them.\u00a0 If you\u2019ve lived in this cloistered, privileged life, you would have never known that, so of course your first response would be, what the hell is wrong with these people?\u00a0 But before she can get to the point of seeing her responsibility, she first needs to be able to see these people, recognize them, and see what\u2019s happened.\u00a0 In some ways, that\u2019s the project of the book.\u00a0 You need to see before you can understand.\u00a0 There\u2019s only so much you can come to abstractly.\u00a0 You need to be able to affix concrete feelings and experiences to people and places so then you can realize, ok, this is what happened and this is what we\u2019re dealing with.\u00a0 And then you can move forward in some ways.<\/p>\n

MF: That\u2019s wonderful.<\/strong><\/p>\n

CH: I think so.\u00a0 Whether or not it works, I guess we will see.\u00a0 It at least makes things interesting for me as a writer.\u00a0 We\u2019re all different, but I\u2026 I like complexity and unanswerable questions.<\/p>\n

MF: That makes it really easy for interviews, I\u2019m sure.<\/strong><\/p>\n

CH: [laughs] You\u2019re welcome.<\/p>\n

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Christopher Hebert is the author of the novels Angels of Detroit (Bloomsbuy, 2016) and The Boiling Season (HarperCollins, 2012), and the winner of the 2013 Friends of American Writers award. He is also co-editor of Stories of Nation: Fictions, Politics, and the American Experience (forthcoming UT Press). His short fiction and nonfiction have appeared in such publications as FiveChapters, Cimarrron Review, Narrative, Interview, and The Millions. He is an assistant professor of English at the University of Tennessee.<\/em><\/p>\n

Megan Faust is a recent graduate of the University of Tennessee Knoxville. She graduated with degrees in English literature and psychology and plans to pursue a doctorate in English. In her spare time, you can find her kayaking on the French Broad or arguing with someone about social disparities.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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